{"id":21517,"date":"2025-07-02T04:30:00","date_gmt":"2025-07-02T08:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/?p=21517"},"modified":"2025-07-07T13:35:00","modified_gmt":"2025-07-07T17:35:00","slug":"the-trinitarian-framework-of-the-nicene-creed","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/article\/concise\/the-trinitarian-framework-of-the-nicene-creed\/","title":{"rendered":"The Trinitarian Framework of the Nicene Creed"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><em>We believe in one God,<\/em><br>      <em>the Father almighty,<\/em><br>      <em>maker of heaven and earth,<\/em><br>      <em>of all things visible and invisible.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><em>And in one Lord Jesus Christ,<\/em><br>      <em>the only Son of God,<\/em><br>      <em>begotten from the Father before all ages.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><em>\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><em>And we believe in the Holy Spirit,<\/em><br>      <em>the Lord, the giver of life.<\/em><br>      <em>He proceeds from the Father and the Son,<\/em><br>      <em>and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.<\/em><sup><a href=\"#post-21517-footnote-1\" id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-1\">[1]<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h6 class=\"wp-block-heading\">1. <span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">In this essay, I quote from the version of the Nicene Creed <\/span><a style=\"font-size: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.crcna.org\/welcome\/beliefs\/creeds\/nicene-creed\">found on the Christian Reformed Church website<\/a><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">. This version of the creed is very similar in word choice to the one found in Norman P. Tanner, <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">Decrees of the Ecumenical Councils<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">, vol. 1 (London: Sheed &amp; Ward, 1990), 24. <\/span><\/h6>\n\n\n\n<p>The Nicene Creed is built on the confession of God as one in nature and three in persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Motivated to clarify the identity of Jesus Christ as the Son of God incarnate, the Council of Nicaea framed its recognition of Jesus Christ as having the same nature as the Father in the context of God as Trinity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The profession of this trinitarian account of God has architectural significance for the Christian faith. All aspects of the Christian life (doctrine, ethics, liturgy, mission, church, worldview) are shaped by it. The Father\u2019s relationship to his Son and his Spirit stands behind everything about his relationship to us and the world, eternity and history, salvation and judgement. The biblical gospel stands or falls on the reality of God\u2014creator, provider, and redeemer\u2014being the only and true God as Father, Son, and Spirit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Unlike the fourth-century heresy of Arianism, which depicted God as one and the Son as \u2018similar\u2019 but not equal to the Father in his deity, the Nicene Council understood biblical revelation as presenting God as both one and three. This articulation set a foundational parameter for Christian orthodoxy for the church to build on in subsequent centuries.<sup><a id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-2\" href=\"#post-21517-footnote-2\">[2]<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h6 class=\"wp-block-heading\">2. <span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">For more on this, see Lewis Ayres, <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">Nicaea and Its Legacy: An Approach to Fourth-Century Trinitarian Theology<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\"> (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2004). <\/span><\/h6>\n\n\n\n<p>Today, the trinitarian confession of the Christian faith is often assumed to belong to all mainstream forms of Christianity\u2014Roman Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant. In one sense, this is true. Formally speaking, all Christian bodies (be they single congregations, denominations, or councils\/federations of churches) representing Christianity for the past thousand years have adhered to the trinitarian core of the Nicene Creed. They have embedded it in their confessional standards, recite it, and use it in their teaching and liturgies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Protestant and Catholic Christianity <\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>In his survey of the Protestant tradition, Scott Swain argues that the Reformers \u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>\u2026 were committed to the doctrine [of the Trinity]\u2019s traditional modes of expression and to its propagation in the Protestant church. Many of the major Protestant confessions produced in the sixteenth century employed tradition and affirmed the early creeds as reliable summaries of biblical teaching.<sup><a id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-3\" href=\"#post-21517-footnote-3\">[3]<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h6 class=\"wp-block-heading\">3. <span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">Scott Swain, \u201cThe Reformers and the Ecumenical Doctrine of the Trinity,\u201d in <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">The Oxford Handbook of the Trinity<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">, ed. Gilles Emery and Matthew Levering (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2011), 228. <\/span><\/h6>\n\n\n\n<p>In other words, we can say that Protestant Christianity is Nicene Christianity because it is rooted in the trinitarian foundations of the biblical faith.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What about Roman Catholicism? In their widely acclaimed book <em>Is the Reformation Over?<\/em>, Mark Noll and Carolyn Nystrom survey the contents of the 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), an important reference work that summarizes the teaching of the Catholic Church. Noll and Nystrom argue that evangelicals can embrace at least two-thirds of this catechism.<sup><a id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-4\" href=\"#post-21517-footnote-4\">[4]<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h6 class=\"wp-block-heading\">4. <span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">Mark A. Noll and Carolyn Nystrom, <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">Is the Reformation Over? An Evangelical Assessment of Contemporary Roman Catholicism<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\"> (Grand Rapids: Baker Academic, 2005), 119. For an additional evangelical assessment of the catechism, see Gregg R. Allison, <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">Roman Catholic Theology and Practice: An Evangelical Assessment<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\"> (Wheaton: Crossway, 2014). <\/span><\/h6>\n\n\n\n<p>This alleged consensus stems from a \u2018common orthodoxy\u2019 based on the ancient trinitarian creeds, like Nicaea, which articulate the triune nature of God, the incarnation of Jesus Christ as the God-man, the need for salvation, the reality of the church, the hope of eternal salvation, and so on. This is to say that Roman Catholicism allegedly espouses Nicene\u2014and therefore trinitarian\u2014Christianity. Indeed, the first part of the Catechism of the Catholic Church is a commentary on the creed and is structured under these headings:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>\u201cI believe in God the Father\u201d (section 2, chapter 1). This chapter includes articles on God the Father, God the Almighty, heaven and earth, as well as man and the Fall.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u201cI believe in Jesus Christ, the Only Son of God\u201d (section 2, chapter 2). This chapter includes articles on the incarnation, the virgin Mary, and the life, crucifixion, burial, descent into hell, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ, as well as the last judgement.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u201cI believe in the Holy Spirit\u201d (section 2, chapter 3). This chapter includes articles on the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of the saints, Mary, the forgiveness of sin, the resurrection of the body, and eternal life.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>This first part of the catechism is structured according to the wording of the Nicene Creed, and this pattern seemingly permeates the rest of the catechism. But before we rush to the conclusion that evangelicals and Catholics embrace the same trinitarian faith on this basis, let\u2019s look more closely at the Catholic Catechism\u2019s trinitarian confession, as well as what comes before and after it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">1. What <em>Precedes<\/em> the Trinitarian Confession is Misconceived<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Before it refers to the Trinity, chapter 1 of the catechism opens with a programmatic statement that man is <em>capax Dei<\/em>, or \u2018capable of God\u2019\u2014that is, man is naturally oriented towards God. This is not only the recognition of the religious dimension of human life but the belief in the inherent openness of humanity to God. Indeed, in their natural capacity for God, human beings are thought of as having an innate and permanent desire for God.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Certainly, Roman Catholic theology recognizes the debilitating effects of sin, but sin is not so bad that it undermines the ability of every man and woman to be \u2018capable\u2019 of God. Because of sin\u2019s limited impact, grace finds in our nature a receptive attitude. Although sin has touched nature, the latter is still programmatically open to be infused, elevated, and supplemented by God\u2019s grace. This \u2018nature-grace interdependence,\u2019 in all why Roman its various forms and degrees, is the reason Catholicism is optimistic about a human being\u2019s ability to know God, to follow his will, and to cooperate with his grace. Roman Catholicism has a strong view of the intrinsic openness of nature, but a mild view of sin (see CCC 1849\u20131875).<sup><a id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-5\" href=\"#post-21517-footnote-5\">[5]<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h6 class=\"wp-block-heading\">5. <span style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">See the <\/span><a style=\"font-size: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\" href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/archive\/ENG0015\/_INDEX.HTM\">Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC)<\/a><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">. The number following \u2018CCC\u2019 refers to the paragraph being quoted in the catechism. <\/span><\/h6>\n\n\n\n<p>Because nature is seen as \u2018open\u2019 to grace, it follows that the physical world can be seen to transmit the grace of God. It is because of this that even an inanimate object like bread can be seen to become the body of Christ during the Eucharist. This openness of nature to grace also helps explain the ability of Roman Catholicism to embrace and integrate the whole of humanity into its liturgies, practices, and devotions (meaning that the Catholic Church often falls into syncretism as a result).<sup><a href=\"#post-21517-footnote-6\" id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-6\">[6]<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h6 class=\"wp-block-heading\">6. <span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">On the \u2018nature-grace interdependence,\u2019 see Allison, <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">Roman Catholic Theology and Practice<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">, 46\u201355. <\/span><\/h6>\n\n\n\n<p>Rome holds a view of nature that is tainted by sin but not depraved, obscured but not blinded, wounded but not alienated, morally disordered but not spiritually dead, inclined to evil but still having a \u2018capacity\u2019 for God. By changing our understanding of how we relate to God, we are most fundamentally changing our understanding <em>of God<\/em>: who is this trinitarian God, and how does he therefore relate to us?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is no coincidence that the Roman Catholic understanding of salvation has always prioritized \u2018participatory\u2019 categories that presuppose our cooperation with grace. It has always refused the \u2018declarative\u2019 categories that focus on the primacy of grace alone and the imputation of Christ\u2019s righteousness on the sinner.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is, of course, in contrast to the evangelical emphasis, which sees that, while we retain our <em>imago Dei<\/em>, we have radically and permanently lost our natural capacity for God unless God himself regenerates it in our hearts. We find ourselves under God\u2019s righteous judgment without any ability to bypass it ourselves.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Rather than the <em>capax Dei<\/em>, the evangelical faith insists on the <em>coram Deo<\/em> (\u2018in the presence of God\u2019) dimension of life. Our life is before God, whose presence cannot be avoided whenever we try to escape him. We are always inexcusable. It is Christ\u2019s righteousness, external to us, that saves us. This gift must be received by faith alone.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here is the first crossroad that radically separates the Catholic and evangelical perspectives. Before we even get to any explicit reference to the Trinity in Catholic thought, we see that this prior commitment of Roman Catholicism shapes all that follows in terms of its doctrine and practice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">2. What is <em>Contained <\/em>in the Trinitarian Confession is Puzzling <\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Christ and the Holy Spirit<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>So, what happens when we do get to an explicit trinitarian confession in the Catechism of the Catholic Church?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We\u2019ve already touched on what is covered in the catechism under each heading of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Looking more closely under each heading, we see that in the chapter on Jesus Christ, the Roman Catholic teaching on Mary is presented in terms of her <em>own<\/em> immaculate conception (CCC 490\u2013493) and her perpetual virginity (CCC 496\u2013507). In the subsequent chapter on the Holy Spirit, we find that Mary is the \u201cMother of the Church\u201d who was bodily assumed<sup><a id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-7\" href=\"#post-21517-footnote-7\">[7]<\/a><\/sup> and is to be venerated (CCC 963\u2013972) to the point of arguing that \u201cthe Church\u2019s devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship\u201d (CCC 971). What does the insertion of this Catholic Mariology\u2014the study of Mary\u2014in the articles on Christ and the Holy Spirit mean? It shows that for Rome, Mariology is inseparable from trinitarian doctrine. In a sense, the Catholic confession of Christ and the Holy Spirit opens the way for the Roman Catholic elevation of Mary. Mariology is not a separate attachment to the trinitarian foundation but an organic part of the Roman Catholic account of it. For evangelicals, much of Roman Catholic Mariology is an unwarranted development away from Scripture and, therefore, in contrast with the biblical revelation of God as one and three.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h6 class=\"wp-block-heading\">7. <span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">The assumption of Mary is the belief that because she was without the stain of original sin, Mary\u2019s body and soul were assumed up into heaven at the end of her earthly life, and she didn\u2019t suffer the corruption of the grave as a consequence of sin. For more on the virgin Mary, see Lauren J. Montenegro, \u201cThe Virgin Mary,\u201d in <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">The Nicene Creed<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">, ed. Mark Gilbert and Leonardo de Chirico (Youngstown, OH: Matthias Media, 2024), 99\u2013112.<\/span><br><br><br>8. <span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">More on how Roman Catholic Mariology undermines the trinitarian account of God can be found in my book: Leonardo de Chirico, <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">A Christian\u2019s Pocket Guide to Mary: Mother of God?<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\"> (Fearn, Ross-shire: Christian Focus Publications, 2017), 83\u201387. <\/span><\/h6>\n\n\n\n<p>Despite the intention not to divert attention from the Son and the Spirit, Mariology tends to be an intruder into trinitarian harmony and an obstacle to fully appreciating who the triune God is and what he has done for us. Jesus says, \u201cCome to me\u201d (Matt. 11:28) and \u201cno one comes to the Father except through me\u201d (John 14:6), but Roman Catholicism encourages people to invoke Mary for help. The Holy Spirit intercedes for us (Rom. 8:26\u201327), but Mary is approached as an intercessor.<sup><a href=\"#post-21517-footnote-8\" id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-8\">[8]<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Evangelicals and Catholics may recite the same trinitarian formulations of the Nicene Creed, but there are fundamental differences in how they appreciate its significance, not least because major components of Roman Catholic Mariology are found in the Catholic view of the Trinity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Church<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>The other important offshoot of the Roman Catholic understanding of the Trinity is its doctrine of the church. In the Catholic Catechism, the blueprint of Rome\u2019s view of church stems from the chapter on the Holy Spirit (CCC 748\u2013959). Roman Catholic ecclesiology (the study of the church) is embedded in the Roman Catholic doctrine of the Spirit not only in its general contours (e.g., the church as the people of God, the body of Christ and the temple of Holy Spirit) but also in the specific Roman features (e.g., its hierarchical nature and the papacy).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If Jesus Christ is truly man and truly God (as affirmed in the creed), the catechism argues that the Roman Catholic Church, by virtue of \u201cno weak analogy,\u201d is also \u201cone complex reality which coalesces from a divine and a human element.\u201d<sup><a id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-9\" href=\"#post-21517-footnote-9\">[9]<\/a><\/sup> In the words of a papal document of Pius XII from 1943, the Church subsists almost like \u201canother Christ.\u201d<sup><a id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-10\" href=\"#post-21517-footnote-10\">[10]<\/a><\/sup> Thus, the Catholic Church\u2019s understanding of itself is based on a Christological point. As Jesus Christ is fully man and fully God, so the Church is a <em>theandric<\/em> (human and divine) organism united to Christ and one with him.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h6 class=\"wp-block-heading\">9. <a style=\"font-size: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.vatican.va\/archive\/hist_councils\/ii_vatican_council\/documents\/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html\"><em>Lumen Gentium<\/em><\/a><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">: 8. <\/span><br><br><br>10. <a style=\"font-size: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.vatican.va\/content\/pius-xii\/en\/encyclicals\/documents\/hf_p-xii_enc_29061943_mystici-corporis-christi.html\"><em>Mystici Corporis Christ<\/em>: Encyclical of Pope Pius XII on the Mystical Body of Christ<\/a><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">: 53. <\/span><br><br><br>11. <span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">On the \u2018Christ-Church interconnection,\u2019 see Allison, <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">Roman Catholic Theology and Practice<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: revert; font-weight: revert; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">, 56\u201366. <\/span><br><br><br>12. <span style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">Henri Blocher, <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">La doctrine de l\u2019\u00c9glise et des sacrements<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">, vol. 1 (Edifac, 2022), 151. \u2018Monophysitism\u2019 was the heresy according to which the divine nature of Christ had swallowed the human nature. Applied to the church, \u201clarval monophysitism\u201d means that the Roman Catholic view of the church is at risk of elevating the divine prerogatives of the church over its human elements. Blocher further argues that \u201cRoman theology is too little Trinitarian\u201d (156). <\/span><br><br><br>13. <span style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">For more on this, see Matthew Johnston, \u201cThe Person of Jesus Christ,\u201d in <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">The Nicene Creed<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">, ed. Mark Gilbert and Leonardo de Chirico (Youngstown, OH: Matthias Media, 2024), 49\u201366; Robbie Bellis, \u201cThe Work of Jesus Christ,\u201d in <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">The Nicene Creed<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">, ed. Mark Gilbert and Leonardo de Chirico (Youngstown, OH: Matthias Media, 2024), 67\u201382; and Gregg R. Allison, \u201cThe Holy Spirit,\u201d in <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">The Nicene Creed<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">, ed. Mark Gilbert and Leonardo de Chirico (Youngstown, OH: Matthias Media, 2024), 83\u201398. <\/span><br><br><br>14. <span style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">Noll and Nystrom, <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">Is the Reformation Over?,<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\"> 147\u2013149. <\/span><\/h6>\n\n\n\n<p>The emphasis on this \u2018Christ-Church interconnection\u2019 seems to forget that the church is still a divine <em>creature<\/em>, belonging to the reality created by God and marked by sin, while Christ is the divine <em>Creator<\/em>, the one from whom all things are created, and who is perfect now and always.<sup><a id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-11\" href=\"#post-21517-footnote-11\">[11]<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It\u2019s key that we appreciate the distinction between Creator and creature in order to avoid falling into the trap of elevating the church into a quasi-divine body. As French theologian Henri Blocher argues, in Roman Catholicism, a \u201clarval monophysitism\u201d manifests itself \u2014that is, the church is attributed divine traits that override human ones.<sup><a href=\"#post-21517-footnote-12\" id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-12\">[12]<\/a><\/sup> Thus, we see that while Rome may confess the historical Jesus Christ as the Son of God become man and the Holy Spirit as God, the Catholic Church uses the same \u2018Christ\u2019 and the same \u2018Spirit\u2019 to support other doctrines and practices that are not biblical.<sup><a href=\"#post-21517-footnote-13\" id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-13\">[13]<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Noll and Nystrom admit that when the catechism speaks of Christ, it interweaves him with the Church to the point of making them one.<sup><a id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-14\" href=\"#post-21517-footnote-14\">[14]<\/a><\/sup> This intermingling is unacceptable for evangelicals, who consider the exaltation of a created reality to be idolatry. On this extension of the meaning of \u2018Christ\u2019 in the catechism, Rome believes that the Church is endowed with the authority of Christ the King, the priesthood of Christ the Mediator, and the truth of Christ the Prophet. The catechism gives voice only to <em>this<\/em> interpretation of the Nicene faith.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>While on first inspection we might observe an apparent \u2018common orthodoxy\u2019 based on the Catholic Church\u2019s trinitarian confession of faith, we don\u2019t have to look far to see that, actually, there is a profound difference in how we view the doctrines of Christ and the Holy Spirit (and therefore the Trinity).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">3. What <em>Follows<\/em> the Trinitarian Confession is Wrong<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>After the deviating premise of our capacity for God, and after the compromising interpretation of the Trinity as the source for Catholic Mariology and ecclesiology, the rest of the catechism gives voice to the standard Roman Catholic teaching on the sacraments, life in Christ, the human community, salvation, the ten commandments, and prayer. The evangelical faith has significantly different accounts of how the ordinances of baptism and the Lord\u2019s Supper work, how we are justified by faith alone, and how we are gathered in the church. The catechism uses arguments from the Trinity to support its contradictory theology on each of these points.<sup><a href=\"#post-21517-footnote-15\" id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-15\">[15]<\/a><\/sup> Thus, we can see that Rome\u2019s account of the Trinity leads to doctrines and practices that are distant, if not opposed, to the evangelical faith.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h6 class=\"wp-block-heading\">15. <span style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">For example, see the catechism\u2019s sections on the sacramental economy (CCC 1077\u20131109), on grace and justification (CCC 1987\u20132011), and on the magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church (CCC 2032\u20132040). <\/span><\/h6>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Nicene Christianity as a Common Ground? <\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>While this is true at one level, we\u2019ve seen that a closer look shows some cracks in this widespread assumption. While it is true that the contrast between the various interpretations of the creed becomes more evident in the areas of salvation and the church, both are inextricably related to trinitarian doctrine as the core of Christian theology.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As Gerald Bray puts it, \u201cThe great issues of Reformation theology\u2014justification by faith, election, assurance of salvation\u2014can be properly understood only against the background of Trinitarian theology which gave these matters their peculiar importance.\u201d<sup><a id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-16\" href=\"#post-21517-footnote-16\">[16]<\/a><\/sup> Against this background, the alleged consensus on the trinitarian framework of the Christian faith is more limited than often thought.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h6 class=\"wp-block-heading\">16. <span style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">Gerald Lewis Bray, <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">The Doctrine of God<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\"> (Leicester: Intervarsity Press, 1993), 197\u2013198. On this crucial point, see also Michael Reeves, \u201cThe Holy Trinity\u201d in <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">Reformation Theology: A Systematic Summary,<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\"> ed. Matthew Barrett (Wheaton: Crossway, 2017), 189\u2013216. <\/span><\/h6>\n\n\n\n<p>All attempts to point to \u2018Nicene Christianity\u2019 and \u2018creedal orthodoxy\u2019 as the common ground between Roman Catholicism and evangelicalism are historically simplistic and theologically superficial. How the trinitarian framework is received, believed, and applied indicates a significant distance between the two traditions despite formal points of agreement. The words used are the same, but the theological worlds they open are different.<sup><a id=\"post-21517-footnote-ref-17\" href=\"#post-21517-footnote-17\">[17]<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h6 class=\"wp-block-heading\">17. <span style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">For more on this point, see my book: Leonardo de Chirico, <\/span><em style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\">Same Words, Different Worlds: Do Roman Catholics and Evangelicals Believe the Same Gospel?<\/em><span style=\"font-size: revert; color: initial; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Arial, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&quot;, &quot;Noto Color Emoji&quot;;\"> (Nottingham: Apollos, 2021). <\/span><\/h6>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>All attempts to point to \u2018Nicene Christianity\u2019 and \u2018creedal orthodoxy\u2019 as the common ground between Roman Catholicism and evangelicalism are historically simplistic and theologically superficial. How the trinitarian framework is received, believed, and applied indicates a significant distance between the two traditions despite formal points of agreement. The words used are the same, but the theological worlds they open are different.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":21546,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"none","_seopress_titles_title":"The Trinitarian Framework of the Nicene Creed","_seopress_titles_desc":"All attempts to point to \u2018Nicene Christianity\u2019 and \u2018creedal orthodoxy\u2019 as the common ground between Roman Catholicism and evangelicalism are historically simplistic and theologically superficial. How the trinitarian framework is received, believed, and applied indicates a significant distance between the two traditions despite formal points of agreement. The words used are the same, but the theological worlds they open are different.","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"[]","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[32,12,1973,38],"tags":[1685,1509,823,1613,1592,1589,1687,1669,1595,1507,1596,122,205],"scripture-reference":[],"post_folder":[],"ppma_author":[1684],"class_list":["post-21517","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-article","category-concise","category-july-2025","category-theme","tag-catechism-of-the-catholic-church","tag-catholic-church","tag-christ","tag-confessions","tag-creeds","tag-holy-spirit","tag-mariology","tag-nicene-creed","tag-protestant","tag-reformation","tag-roman-catholic","tag-theology","tag-trinity"],"acf":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/The-Trinitarian-Framework-of-the-Nicene-Creed-Leonardo-de-Chirico-scaled.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"publishpress_future_action":{"enabled":false,"date":"2026-01-13 11:27:42","action":"change-status","newStatus":"draft","terms":[],"taxonomy":"category","extraData":[]},"publishpress_future_workflow_manual_trigger":{"enabledWorkflows":[]},"authors":[{"term_id":1684,"user_id":0,"is_guest":1,"slug":"leonardo-de-chirico","display_name":"Leonardo De Chirico","avatar_url":{"url":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/leonardo-de-chirico.jpg","url2x":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/leonardo-de-chirico.jpg"},"author_category":"","job_title":"","church_city_state":"","last_name":"","first_name":"","church_site":"","user_url":"","description":"<b>Leonardo De Chirico<\/b> is pastor of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.brecciadiroma.it\">Church Breccia di Roma<\/a> and lecturer in historical theology at the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ifeditalia.org\">Istituto di Formazione Evangelica e Documentazione<\/a> in Padova, Italy. He blogs on Vatican and Roman Catholic issues from an evangelical perspective at <a href=\"https:\/\/vaticanfiles.org\">Vatican Files<\/a>. He\u2019s director of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reformandainitiative.org\">Reformanda Initiative<\/a>, cohost of the <a href=\"https:\/\/reformandainitiative.buzzsprout.com\"><I>Reformanda Initiative<\/I><\/a> podcast, and author of several books, including <I>A Christian\u2019s Pocket Guide to the Papacy<\/I>, <I>Same Words, Different Worlds: Do Roman Catholics and Evangelicals Believe the Same Gospel?<\/I>, and the forthcoming Engaging with <I>Thomas Aquinas: An Evangelical Approach<\/I>. You can keep up with the work of Reformanda Initiative on <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/reformandarome\">Twitter<\/a>."}],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/21517","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=21517"}],"version-history":[{"count":24,"href":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/21517\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":21615,"href":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/21517\/revisions\/21615"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/21546"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=21517"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=21517"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=21517"},{"taxonomy":"scripture-reference","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/scripture-reference?post=21517"},{"taxonomy":"post_folder","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/post_folder?post=21517"},{"taxonomy":"author","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/christoverall.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/ppma_author?post=21517"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}